Curse

The Herbalizer · Nov 04, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

i remember the pre testing days.....

anyway, I think anet allow the whole testing thing to prevent the bots and sweatshop farmers selling stuff for lots of gold. it is better now with them selling them at say 1-3k each than when they were selling at 10-100k each. anyone with any common sense would know that most gold unided's run the risk of being tested.

Firebaall · Nov 04, 2006, 04:27 AM // 04:27

lol...I don't know what's worse in this thread:

The lack of reading skills, or the obvious "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" syndrome.

This post isn't about people that "test" gold items before selling them, it's about those that used a glitch in a code update to see the mods in the item, and strip the item of those mods before selling the item as an unidentified gold.

The glitch, before it was fixed, allowed a person to browse a gold unident's mods and remove them independant of the status of the original item. Yes it was possible, and yes dirt bags abused it. Now they are trying to cash in on the exploit.

As would any scumbag in their position.

This was a "heads up" post. If it was meant to be a "feature" it wouldn't have been patched up so quickly. If you used it, it was an exploit. If you sell the items you extracted the mods from (good or bad), without telling the buyer, your a scammer.

Black and White.

arcanemacabre · Nov 04, 2006, 06:20 AM // 06:20

I don't know if anyone knew this, but for a short time (probably during this period that you could salvage mods off golds before IDing), you could actually salvage the mods off the /bonusitems weapons.

I am not sh**ting you.

Legendary Shiz · Nov 04, 2006, 06:25 AM // 06:25

One real question. If you're buying for wisdom title only, why would you honestly care what you're getting for mods as long as it counts towards title?

shardfenix · Nov 04, 2006, 07:57 AM // 07:57

The smart people find out the weapon's stats before they identify it and only sell it if it sucks.

generik · Nov 04, 2006, 09:26 AM // 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyosuke

So you're saying it's wrong for people to pay 40k for an unid req. 9 and for them to expect something good possibly? That's messed up. It's nice to know that there aren't that many honest people out there..... Well, I knew that, but still it's very dishonest to seel somethng after testing it like that. So I'm not wrong, I'm right and you're being stubborn on the fact of right from wrong. Actually take a look to think about it morally and fairly and not from a criminals point of view.

Do you use an Intel processor?

Hell, do you even own a CPU? Obviously you do else you wouldn't be playing GW and posting on these forums about your puritan ways. Tell me, how does Intel/AMD class their processors into different speed grades?

ZOMG! THE TOP END PROCESSOR THAT COSTS THREE TIMES AS MUCH AS THE BUDGET PROCESSOR IS BASICALLY THE SAME THING, IT JUST SO HAPPENS TO HAVE BEEN TESTED TO WORK AT THAT SPEED.

Why not try getting Intel to sell you "untested" CPUs for cheap? You will be laughed out of the meeting.

Alana Fier · Nov 04, 2006, 10:56 AM // 10:56

The only person I'd expect to well expect ..to get a "decent" mod out of an unid would be a newer player to the game, other than that I'm sure ( as been stated..before..) whoever is buying is well more than aware that the item they're purchasing isn't ,more than likely, going to have anything worth while. So I'm pretty sure ..they just want their title. I've done many chest runs in Imperial when the GPBs were all the rage and I've tested all my unids and then sold them for 1k afterwards. Heck I'd even go to LA and give out free golds! Hehehe I made alot of ppl happy giving them the GPBs that would have become merchant food :P So anyways..here is some fresh cookies..enjoy!

Eviance · Nov 05, 2006, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

lol...I don't know what's worse in this thread:

The lack of reading skills, or the obvious "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" syndrome.

This post isn't about people that "test" gold items before selling them, it's about those that used a glitch in a code update to see the mods in the item, and strip the item of those mods before selling the item as an unidentified gold.

The glitch, before it was fixed, allowed a person to browse a gold unident's mods and remove them independant of the status of the original item. Yes it was possible, and yes dirt bags abused it. Now they are trying to cash in on the exploit.

As would any scumbag in their position.

This was a "heads up" post. If it was meant to be a "feature" it wouldn't have been patched up so quickly. If you used it, it was an exploit. If you sell the items you extracted the mods from (good or bad), without telling the buyer, your a scammer.

Black and White.

I guess you missed my post that says flat out that you can salvage still without IDing then right? Good - now that that is cleared up that is how testing came into the bigger picture because those who know how to effectively test the weapons can know if its got some great mods and while they cannot now choose which mod comes off they can take the risk and try stripping off all the mods and selling it without mods for obscene prices.
(Try keeping up on the reading thing there before you go posting comments about how people lack reading skills >_> It helps to keep things in perspective when you dont confuse people.)

MEANING that the issue is still there for those who know how to exploit it and I am sure many do.
If the weapon is beyond perfect but has such a horrible skin that you can get more for one single mod on it than you can for the whole darned thing - then wouldn't you try stripping the mods after testing it (BEFORE IDing) because you KNOW that it has killer mods? In the end most people who wish to scam the tails off others would.
Like I said this is only IMO an extreme issue if the UnIDed is being sold for more than wisdom title value.

Malice Black · Nov 05, 2006, 06:30 AM // 06:30

Buying Unid's for wisdom title is kinda lame imo so they should get THE shittest golds possible.

Eviance · Nov 05, 2006, 06:33 AM // 06:33

This I can sorta agree on, but it helps with your salvage rate right? *shrugs* to each his own -_- I've pondered buying up a bunch of unIDeds for it, but I figure I will get there eventually.

Firebaall · Nov 05, 2006, 06:50 AM // 06:50

Bit of an ego there? This thread and my comments are not about you and your posts. But this one is:

The comment wasn't directed at you specifically, but at the direction some people were running away with the topic. I agree your comments of salvaging the items with current methods are valid to the spirit of the original post.

By all means test your heart out with an unided gold. However if you strip it of mods either via the exploit or the current salavage method, then sell it (to a buyer, not telling them it has been salvaged)........

YOUR SCAMMING SOMEONE

Clarion enough?

The fact that it can still be "done" is reason enough for buyers to beware. All I wanted from my OP, is to let people know as much about a buying situation as possible. Like it or not, there's people that love nothing more than a scam. Big scam or small scam, it's the same to these sicko's.

Malice Black · Nov 05, 2006, 07:01 AM // 07:01

Quote:

By all means test your heart out with an unided gold. However if you strip it of mods either via the exploit or the current salavage method, then sell it (to a buyer, not telling them it has been salvaged)........

I don't like the practice myself but at the end of the day anyone buying a gold thinking they are in for a decent mod/inherant mod lives in a dream world...until Anet decides what they want to do all this "discussion" means jack shit.

Go in-game and spam "don't buy unid golds they are scammming you" most will ignore you some will abuse you and some will carry on.

Zolderick · Nov 05, 2006, 07:02 AM // 07:02

Calm down peoples

Eviance · Nov 05, 2006, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Sorry Firebaall if I came off a little strong or sounding egotistical. Some people honestly do not know how to read a thread and that bugs me to no end -_- I tend to like it when people at least attempt to read the whole thread and not just guess at what they think is right.

Stripped or not I still think that people should not expect to find an awesome gold under a 1k price tag unless obviously they are new and don't know any better. However I do not agree to stripping an unIDed and selling it to people in order to get their hopes up for great unlocks. Anyone working on the wisdom title should be in it for just that: the Wisdom Title and therefor since they are getting points towards it have no room to complain unless it is of course someone selling a gold armor that has been stripped (which I do not know if IDing those has been tested to work towards the title or not).

There is a very thin line on this subject, but I do not think that people selling weapons stripped or not for the wisdom title and wisdom title alone to be considered scammers unless they are targeting newbs intentionally.
Like Admins Bane said until Anet decides to do something about it all that can be done is to make people aware of the situation and hope that they heed the warnings. But then most people who will get scammed wont get the info till its too late so.... -_-
Again I appologise for coming off so harsh, I guess I am prone to waiting for feeding time with the trolls >_<

Nivryx · Nov 06, 2006, 01:55 AM // 01:55

riddle me this. if your going for the wisdom title starting at 0 identified, and intend to buy 10,000 unids, what are you going to do with those 10,000+ mods? with the new update you can salvage multiple mods from an unid, do you really have that much time to sit around spamming to sell so many mods? i can't picture doing anything other than selling straight to merchant or giving away to newbs. sure, there are the auctions, but that would still take forever to start all those auctions. i believe anyone going for the wisdom title understands that it is merely for the title, they are not trying to make a profit from it.

Tea And Cashews · Nov 06, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

People buy unid's to unlock the mods, and get the title.

The problem people were mentioning is that scammers are taking the mods OUT.

Therefore, there is nothing to id, and people are getting scammed.

So, there you have it.

Tea And Cashews · Nov 06, 2006, 02:33 AM // 02:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nivryx

riddle me this. if your going for the wisdom title starting at 0 identified, and intend to buy 10,000 unids, what are you going to do with those 10,000+ mods? with the new update you can salvage multiple mods from an unid, do you really have that much time to sit around spamming to sell so many mods? i can't picture doing anything other than selling straight to merchant or giving away to newbs. sure, there are the auctions, but that would still take forever to start all those auctions. i believe anyone going for the wisdom title understands that it is merely for the title, they are not trying to make a profit from it.

Exactly. People want the title, and they're willing to pretty much throw out their money to get it. Because no one wants to sit around selling a +23 hp mod. The merch gets just about everything, is my guess. Unless they come across a 20/20 or something. But still, even those have dropped in price...

Malice Black · Nov 06, 2006, 03:54 AM // 03:54

Quote:

Therefore, there is nothing to id, and people are getting scammed.

False, the ID still counts towards wisdom title.

korcan · Nov 06, 2006, 08:05 AM // 08:05

i dont see what all the hubbub is about. people who are buying unid golds are buying them for the wisdom title. anyone who thinks theyre going to get decent mods from unids is imo delusional [unless they get lucky and buy them from a noob]. having said that, if youre buying them for the wisdom title, what difference does it make if theyve been pretested or if the mods have been stripped entirely with the new salvaging system? umm, none i would think because youre still getting credit towards your wisdom title either way.

Cirian · Nov 06, 2006, 11:18 AM // 11:18

I don't see what the fuss is about either

1k gold unid = for Wisdom Title folks

Not only do I see sellers advertising 1k un-id golds, I see people with Oracle of Wisdom (6) (or similar) spamming "buying un-id golds - 1k each" to get that final level of Wisdom as well

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